One difference between college in the US and Europe is that in Europe incoming students must apply to a specific program, so they must know what they want to study. For students who don’t know what they want to study, this aspect can lead to worry. In this podcast, Jenn announces the availability of our “What’s My Major?” offering that helps students determine their field of study.
Parents are often concerned that students will struggle when faced with the new environment of college. In this episode, Jenn focuses on the importance of building independence in your student. She also talks about how she’s building these skills in her own children.
How does a student decide on which program is best for him? What is that selection process like? This episode’s guest is Sam Viemont, son of Jennifer and Tom Viemont. The episode covers Jenn & Sam’s recent trip to the Netherlands to visit Leiden University for the school’s Experience Day.
Last week was a rough one for a number of us. Many people have concerns about what the next four years will hold. There have been increased reports of violence and acts of bigotry across the country. In our own progressive enclave in North Carolina (not an oxymoron), a Latina woman who was walking her kids to school was followed by a pick up truck whose occupants were taunting them that they would soon be deported. There are also concerns for our LGBT community and what the new political climate means for their rights and their safety following the election. Of course, there are broader concerns as well about how this election will affect our country. These concerns were evidenced by the crash of the Canadian immigration site as the election results came in on Tuesday.
While logistically it is hard for many of us who are saddled with jobs, families, and homes to pick up and move to another country, college bound students have the choice to leave the country for the next few year to study overseas. Many of you have told us that the election results have been the deciding factor when considering whether to pursue college in the US or Europe. Certainly, the map of how millennials voted indicates that this is not the direction the younger generation favors.
The benefits to studying in Europe are huge, even without considering the political climate here. We’ve talked about the incredibly affordable tuition and transparent admissions processes, as those are quite obvious benefits. Another benefit to note is the exposure students gain to people who are different from them. In this spread out country, many of us who don’t live in urban areas are often surrounded by people who are similar to us in appearance, background and beliefs. My son’s history teacher used the election as an opportunity to teach the class about echo chambers. Particularly on social media, we see a lot of our own opinions reflected by others and often “unfriend” or at least “mute” those who have conflicting views. As a result, we tend to think our own perspectives are more dominant and accepted than they are in reality.
I know that there are large numbers of people who voted differently than I did who are not inherently “bad people” and had some other reason for their vote than to support bigotry and chauvinism. I’m guilty of not truly understanding their plight. I’m also guilty of not understanding the impacts of the refugee situation or the experience of the refugees themselves. I don’t know what it’s like to be “randomly” chosen for a search at the airport due to the color of my skin or last name. While we don’t have to experience these things first hand, interacting with people who have different experiences and different view points helps us have a much broader and more accurate world view.
When Americans go to college in Europe they are introduced to people of all different backgrounds. College education in Europe is for everyone, not primarily for the wealthy or elite, and the English conducted programs draw students from around the globe. What better way to understand the effects the death of the president of Thailand than to learn about it from your Thai classmate? By gaining this world view, college students can come back to the US and advocate for change where it is needed. Their experience as global citizens will help inform the dialog going forward. They can help put us back on the right track in much more meaningful ways than if they continue to live where they have always lived surrounded by others just like them. I can’t tell you how happy I am that we all have this option!
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T he face of homeschool has changed a lot over the years. Only 36% are doing so for religious/moral reasons and more and more families are homeschooling due to their dissatisfaction with the education system in this country. We get a lot of interest from these families, who realize that college in Europe is a way to continue to opt out of the problems with the higher education system.We get a lot of inquiries about how being homeschooled factors into the admission process in Europe. While homeschooling is on the rise in Europe, there are some countries in which is it illegal (Germany and Sweden) and others where the regulations make it difficult to pursue (Switzerland). This week, I would like to share my thoughts on how to deal with some of the obstacles you may face as a homeschooler.
There are some countries (mentioned above) in which a homeschool diploma would not be recognized due to the laws they have around homeschooling. Other countries require an accredited diploma and some require applicants to have their transcripts/diplomas nostrified. This generally involves a trip to the Secretary of State’s office or, sometimes, the embassy. Often, when dealing with governmental bureaucratic layers, milfster.org the answer you get to your questions may vary depending on the person you talk to. Thus, I highly recommend that homeschoolers work with agencies that allow you to homeschool and provide accredited diplomas and transcripts for your work.
One of our members moved to Europe in the last years. They are digital nomads and have chosen to homeschool using Oak Meadow distance learning. Their daughter lists Oak Meadow as her school and will graduate with accredited transcripts and a diploma.
Another one of our members told us about a few less costly options. She is looking into places like Clonlara. These schools validate the credits and, after the graduation requirements have been met, issue an accredited diploma.
A few countries (Norway, Italy, Netherlands, Denmark) have extra requirements for all American applicants. Applicants either need a certain number of college credits, 3-4 AP scores of 3+, or an IB diploma. First of all, if you choose not to go this route, there are still plenty of options! Though Norway, Italy and Denmark would not be feasible, the universities of applied sciences in the Netherlands do not have the AP requirements and there are still an abundance of choices throughout the rest of Europe as well.
Good news about AP tests-you do not have to take the AP course to take the AP test. Many homeschool students are receiving a rigorous education at home and would easily pass the AP tests. Further, since the number of AP scores required is specified, an advantage is not given when a student takes more than required. Italy requires American students without an IB to take AP Italian as one of the tests they submit. This is an option that is closed to many American students, since Italian is not an offering at many schools, not to mention AP Italian. If you are a homeschool student taking Italian though, you can take the AP test and then be eligible to apply (assuming you have taken the other AP tests as well).
Many homeschool students take courses at local colleges as part of their high school curriculum. If you accumulate a year’s worth of college credit, you do not need the AP scores. It is important to note that most colleges require that these credits are issued by a 4 year college, not a school that can only issue associate’s degrees.
Are there extra hoops you will have to jump through as a homeschool applicant? Yes. However I absolutely recommend it, as I think many homeschool students have the qualities needed to succeed as a student in Europe and could thrive in this environment.
I feel so fortunate that my childhood in provided me exposure to all different sorts of cultures, backgrounds and religions. Experiencing many different versions of “normal” is an important part of developing a global perspective. For me, this included seeing the Hindu Shrine at Shrunali’s house , arranging Friday night sleepover plans to accommodate Tammy’s family’s shabbat, and not having any idea what Martin’s family was talking about since they all spoke German at home. And let me tell you how lucky you were if you got to sit near Floremy at lunch! She was likely to trade her lumpia for your fluffernutter. We were able to talk and joke about our cultural difference and I believe that it gave me a greater curiosity about the world and not just an acceptance of, but an appreciation for of any sort of differences.
Studying in Europe provides students with exposure to people with all sorts of background and experiences. English-conducted programs draw students from around the world-not just anglophone countries. It is likely that your roommates and classmates will will be from other countries. The students I have spoken with really value this diversity. They’ve talked about how mealtime turns into a multicultural event, how the classroom discussion truly provide a global perspective, and how the opportunity for travel increases, since they now have contacts (read-free places to stay) in these different places. Though many in the US almost seem afraid to talk about cultural differences, it is a common topic there with friendly joking about it as well. I was hanging out with some students in Finland who were all friends. One of them was Latvian and his friend told me (in front of the Latvian student), “If you really want to make him mad, just say he’s from Russia”. Of course, this was good-natured joking and the Latvian student also laughed while making a joke about how at least none of his family member’s own a fanny pack.
I’ve said before that, in order to be successful as a student in Europe, students need to have cultural curiosity and openness. I recognize that most Americans are not exposed to cultural diversity on a regular basis. How can those students develop the traits needed for success abroad? Here are some suggestions:
1. Try Different Foods: When I was pregnant with Sam, Tom and I were at an Indian restaurant where a family with 2 young daughters was sitting near us. The youngest, who was probably around 3 years old was grumbling about the appearance of one of the dishes. The older sister, probably around 5 years old, sweetly reminded her, “If you want to travel the world, you have to try different foods!” Tom and I thought that was the coolest thing ever and made it our mission to implement that policy with our own kids. Try out different foods as a family. If you don’t live in an area with good ethnic restaurants, get some cookbooks from countries of interest and try a recipe yourself. You’d be surprised how many obscure ingredients can be bought on Amazon. 2. Seek out cultural festivals in your area. This is a great way to experience food and traditions of other cultures. These are often listed in the local paper. 3. Use the internet, books, and TV. I was recently re-reading The Diary of a Young Girl by Anne Frank in preparation for a trip to the Anne Frank House in Amsterdam. I was shocked at how many issues/thoughts/complaints my own 12-year-old American daughter has in common with a 13-year-old German/Dutch girl in hiding from the Nazi’s in the 1940’s. You may be surprised at how many commonalities you have with people who initially seem very different. On a lighter note, I love watching House Hunters International before travel to get an idea of what life is like. 4. Don’t worry sports fans! Just because college sports aren’t like they are here, doesn’t mean you will miss out. Basketball is the most popular sport in many countries, soccer (don’t forget to call it football!) is, of course, huge in many areas, and ice hockey is the most popular sport in Scandinavia. If you can’t find European teams on one of the hundred sports channels, check it out online. 5. Airbnb: Discovering airbnb changed the way I travel. Not only is it much cheaper than hotels, but now I stay in residential areas when I travel. This gives a real feel how one would live in the country, as opposed to how one would be a tourist in the country. When I visit schools in Eastern Europe this winter, I am excited to try a site I recently found that offers meals made up of regional specialties cooked by and eaten with locals.
The benefits of earning a degree in Europe are numerous. In addition to the financial savings, this option can provide students with critical thinking skills, global experiences, language skills and greater job prospects. I truly believe this is a fantastic option for students who feel limited by aspects of U.S. higher education possibilities.
I often get questions from parents about whether it is safe to send their kids to college in Europe. Granted, this question usually comes from parents who probably won’t send their kids overseas anyway, but safety is certainly something that is on most of our minds these days. My answer is always that I believe college students are just as safe in Europe as they are in the US, if not more so.
Then, we have mass shootings occurring in places like Orlando, Charleston, and San Bernadino. Like the fire drills or civil defense drills many of us grew up with, today’s kids participate in lock down drills at school, practicing what to do if there were an “active shooter” on school grounds. Unfortunately, these drills seem necessary due to the incidence of shootings at schools across the country from elementary to college level in places like Sandy Hook, Columbine, and Virginia Tech.
None of this is to say that I feel unsafe in the US, nor am I suggesting that you aren’t safe. I would absolutely still go to any of the cities I named above. I don’t worry while my kids are in school each day. While I am saddened and horrified when shootings and murders go on around the country, I don’t personally feel unsafe while they are going on. Yet, I received worried phone calls when I was in Germany due to the bombings in Brussels. Of course, many of the calls originated from my mother and I had to explain to her that, just looking at the odds, I was safer in Germany than she is in Chicago. To put it in perspective, Germany has about 50 firearm deaths per year, while Chicago saw 66 gun killings in May 2016 alone, according to the LA Times.
So let’s compare. I think the abundance of violent crimes in our US cities and schools may lead some to generalize that cities and universities in unfamiliar places are just as bad, if not worse. In fact, the U.S. murder rate is higher than the rate of all the countries we have listed in Europe except for Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania (from United National Office on Drugs and Crime). Further, the rate of gun deaths is dramatically higher in the U.S. than in European countries and the US is home to nearly a third of the world’s mass shootings
I will also tell you that one of the students we helped, Jared D., was in Brussels visiting a school with his dad on March 22nd, 2016, the day of a significant terrorist attack. Despite that first-hand experience with terrorism, he is still attending KU Leuven this fall, just as many students continued to apply for and attend Boston-area universities after the Boston Marathon bombing in 2013.
The Economist has an annual Safe Cities Index in which 50 major worldwide cities are compared across four categories. Stockholm (#4), Amsterdam (#9), Barcelona (#11), and Frankfurt (#16) all ranked higher in Personal Safety than the highest ranked U.S. city in the study (D.C. #17). Paris (#24) is ranked better in personal safety than Chicago (#25) and New York (#28). The bottom line is that crime exists in cities worldwide. If you would be comfortable sending your student off to New York University, the University of Chicago, UC San Francisco or Georgetown, you should feel equally comfortable with your student in most European cities.
Though I would say that both Tom and I are comfortable with uncertainty, I admit that he is more likely to explore and embrace new or unconventional ideas long before they hit the mainstream. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve teased him for some seemingly kooky health idea he started incorporating into his routine. From using coconut oil for just about everything to eating fermented foods for gut health at green tea or black tea for weight loss. Sure enough, soon after I would read about the same thing in the New York Times or see a book review about the microbiome. Before I knew it, many of these “kooky” ideas were much more mainstream and even I was on board. Luckily, Tom is very good about not lording “I told you so” over me in these instances…
As you know, we are passionate about young people and parents knowing about their college options in Europe. Both the drawbacks of the US system and benefits of Europe are so incredibly clear that we wonder why more people haven’t already packed their bags. Sure, the lack of information out there (until we came along…) is part of it, but why else? Why hasn’t this idea caught on? We listened to an episode of Malcolm Gladwell‘s great podcast Revisionist History called “The Big Man Can’t Shoot” which really crystallized this to us. It talks about how some people have a harder time making decisions that are outside of group norms than others, even when the benefits of changing are quite clear (Gladwell’s interview on the Tim Ferriss Show is excellent. He gives the advice that US students should get out of the US and go to Europe. — Tom).
If you are already exploring the option of college in Europe, you likely have what sociologist Mark Granovetter refers to as a “low threshold”. The threshold Granovetter refers to is “the number or proportion of people who must make one decision before a given actor does so”. This means that you are more comfortable making decisions based on reasoning or instinct as opposed to what the crowd does. We believe that this trait is crucial for true success in life. You may also be somewhere in the middle for threshold. While you don’t need the group approval, you want to explore more data before making decisions based on unconventional ideas. If we were to put threshold on a scale of 1-10, Tom would probably be a 1 or 2 and I would be closer to a 4-5.
For those of you who are more like me, I have a few summer reading/watching suggestions that will point to the fact that looking for alternatives to the problems we have in higher education here is not a hare-brained idea, despite the fact that you’re the only one in your peer group who’s doing it.
Over the past months, I’ve talked to many American students who have graduated from, or are currently enrolled, in bachelor’s programs in Europe. We’ve talked a lot about the traits that make a successful student in Europe. Students across the spectrum pointed to a number of the same qualities needed to succeed. Though these qualities are all distinct, I believe the combination is a crucial component for success as an international student in Europe.
1. Curiosity and Openness
This student is curious about the world, about knowledge, about other people’s experiences, opinions and points of view. She seeks out information about these areas and processes it in order to further formulate their own perspectives and points of view. The student’s curiosity and open mindedness leads to enthusiasm, thus being an active participant in the learning process comes naturally to this student. This should not indicate that the student has to have been a passionate high school student, but is more about their overall quality of intellectual and cultural curiosity. I spoke to Hannah from New Jersey who attends school in the Netherlands. She noted that, while she was always an avid reader and enjoyed current events; she was not an enthusiastic learner in high school. Now, she attends a University of Applied Science so all her courses directly pertain to her program of study and she does not have many general education requirements. Focusing on her area of interest from the start has made her an engaged, and successful college student. Further, a student does not have to have already been exposed to a tremendous amount of diversity in order to be culturally curious and open minded. Many students from the US haven’t had these opportunities. That being said, international students in Europe are coming from all over the world. One student I talked to lives with his best friends who are from Croatia, Hungary and Japan. A graduate I spoke with said that, due to the friendships she made as a student, she has a place to stay when she travels to well over ten countries. Living with cultural differences can present challenges, but the open-minded student is excited to learn through these differences.
2. Desire for Independence
One aspect of needed independence relates to academic life. Students are expected to do a lot of studying on their own (about 30 hours a week for full time students including classes). Unlike many classes in the US, this is ungraded work that is not monitored by the professors. The work in between classes is done to prepare for the next class discussion as well as to prevent the need to “cram” for tests. The professors let students know what they need to read and do each week, but it is up to the student to actually get it done. Grades for classes are generally composed of just a few tests and/or projects and in many schools the goal is to receive a passing grade instead of the A-F structure in the US.
The other area of independence that is needed pertains to everyday life. Though schools usually have cafeterias and canteens, they are often not open for every meal every day of the week. Meal plans are pretty much unheard of in Europe and student residences almost always include a shared kitchen. Shopping for groceries and preparing meals is a common part of student life in Europe. Further, since student residences are rarely on campus, students will need to learn to navigate their way around town which often involves learning how to use public transportation.
I recognize that there are a lot of structures in American schools and society that do not give teens as many opportunities for independence, particularly if they don’t live in an urban environment. Students who have not already cultivated their independence can also succeed in Europe so long as they are excited by the possibilities and confident in their abilities.
3. Willing to Ask for Help and Being Proactive
Part of being independent is not only figuring out everything on your own, but knowing when and how to access the information you need. Most schools have an abundance of resources, such as the International Desk, but students must be proactive and seek them out.
Though you are not receiving frequent grades, professors are available to give you feedback and assistance. In addition to appointments and office hours, some countries (like Denmark) have Friday bars where professors set out soft drinks, beers, etc and socialize informally with students. Most schools also offer tutoring, language learning, help with residence permits, and various programs to help with acclimation. If you aren’t offered information about these programs and services, you will have to be willing to ask around to find it.
Housing is another area in which students need to be proactive about finding help. Very few schools guarantee housing. Some schools help students find housing, some just point students to different resources. Other students and the ESN chapter can help students navigate this system. There are even Facebook pages that helps students locate housing, but these are resources that the student must locate and utilize. It is important to be proactive socially as well. One American student I spoke with has a passion for baseball. His school in Germany does not offer a baseball team, but he was able to find one associated with the town and now has a team to play with and friends to watch games with. There are an abundance of social opportunities for students within most schools and towns, but you will have to be willing to seek them out.
Living abroad for the next three to four years can be the adventure of a lifetime. An adventurous student does not fear the challenges and uncertainties of going abroad, but is excited by them. I spoke to a student from Southern California who went to school in Sweden. Having never lived through winter weather, she did not even own a pair of close toed shoes when she arrived! Instead of staying inside complaining about the cold, she quickly adjusted her foot wear, invested in good outerwear and ended up loving the activities that winter weather offered. The adventurous student knows that getting lost in the city, being served an unfamiliar meal, living in winter for the first time are all likely to occur but they will face the situations with determination and enthusiasm.
If you choose to go to Europe for college, your life for the next three to four years is going to be completely different than your friends experiences back home. Academically, your courses may be structured in ways you aren’t accustomed to. Some schools use 8 week block schedules, some are more traditional schedules, and some schools combine the two. There is also an abundance of social differences you will encounter. Instead of tailgating and watching college football games, you may be watching rugby or soccer in the p ub with your friends and the rest of the town, since teams are tied to towns and not colleges. Instead of joining a sorority or fraternity, you will join social groups consisting of other students with similar interests. Instead of going to Mexico for Spring Break, you are headed to Barcelona or Greece. The student who goes to Europe for college needs to know going into it that student life is drastically different and be open to finding and engaging in different social activities.